We Three Kings
Tradition is not an adequate justification for knowledge about 2,year-old events, and there is the ever present possibility that traditions will grow to obscure or even contradict the truth. It is entirely possible, of course, that historical sources outside the Bible might mention Jesus, or Paul, or King David—or the wise men. But everything we are justified in knowing about the Three Kings of Orient comes from the first eighteen verses of the second chapter of Matthew.
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Obviously, not every Jewish boy would be taken to Jerusalem by the eighth day, and I assumed that it would normally be done locally. I had assumed that the couple could not take their son to the sanctuary prior to that time. Really good call. Thank you for this—you got me nicely! I did a bit more homework and uncovered not only an interpretive problem but a resultant textual problem in the relevant verse, Luke I have an upcoming blogpost version based on an addendum from my first book scheduled to show up on Theologyin3D in about 10 days.
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It explores just point 6 in a little more detail. The point you make about the wise men is very good. There may be some other information we can take from the Bible. Nehemiah and Ezra, I believe, traveled from Babylon to Jerusalem in six months.
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One can travel miles in one year averaging 25 miles per day, resting 4 days per week. This puts coastal China within range. I will try and find the source, but one suggests Confucius prophecies a great man would be born around the time of Christ. Other things the Bible at least suggests, the wealthy. You mention the cost of the trip to Egypt. The wise men had their costs as well. Then the gifts they gave shows wealth. I favor early after the circumcision, as God would have provided them time to get there. Also consider the stir the angelic messengers to the shepherds made and the two prophets prophetesses made in their very prophetic pronouncements.
The stirring God made would have been heard by Herod. It would likely be be very shortly after the circumcision, at least that seems logical to me. I would like to think that this speaks clearly of more than 2 wise men. An interesting supposition… What number of such men is sufficient to trouble Herod? Your correction is well to the point. The argument about the numbers at the temple on the day of circumcision would be the same amount of people at the temple on the fortieth, maybe a little more, depending on the infant mortality rate.
The entourage only adds to the expense as well and is increased if the distance is greater. So this does increase the wealth aspect. The wise men from a greater distance would increase the concern of Herod.
Now imagine the concern Herod would have if there was talk of the circumcision or as you say more likely the purification time, as Mary would not be allowed into the temple area until the purification time. The holy men Herod consulted would have been very aware of such an uproar.
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All of the strange events occurring at about the same time would likely make Herod even more worried. Two years later, the impact of the angelic visitation and of the purification prophecies would be dismissed by then. This all adds up to the Magi visiting about forty days or six weeks after the birth, of Christ.
It also makes it more likely Joseph left a day or two after the Magi left. It may even, this is solely personal opinion, and only just realized, because of this blog, would the wise men perhaps also encourage the flight and add some of their entourage to give Joseph some protection on the long dangerous journey? Tannaim, i.
In Jerusalem there was at the Temple Mount the Avtinus chamber room, where incense was compounded for later use in the offerings upon the Golden Altar.
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According to the Babylonian Talmud, Vol. I, page 15, 7. According to the Book of Mormon, Helaman, Ch. And angels did appear unto men, wise men, and did declare unto them glad tidings of great joy; thus in this year the scriptures began to be fulfilled. Luke 2: ] Jesus Christ was thus honored as the Lamb of God, the eternal sacrifice for the sins of Israel and all mankind. The wise men from the east who came into the house where Jesus Christ lived as a young child St. Matthew, , saw Him with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped Him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto Him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
Gold was sent annually to the Temple at Jerusalem, from communal contributions, suggesting the wise men from the east came as legal and lawful representatives from Syria, Arabia, India or beyond. The presentation of the gift of frankincense, used as part of the exclusive Jewish priesthood Temple rite of sacrifice, at Jerusalem, was a symbolic recognition of the Holy Priesthood Authority of Jesus Christ, as Lord and Royal Master, even as a little child. An audience before King Herod, with his subsequent conference, a large gathering of all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, indicates a diplomatic contact of the highest order, that troubled all in the City of Jerusalem.
Now it came to pass that the ninety and first year had passed away and it was six hundred years from the time that Lehi left Jerusalem [A. Then he departed out of the land, and whither he went, no man knoweth, as mentioned in the Book of Mormon. JST Matthew].
Some appear to have gotten dispersed, landing as far west as modern day New Zealand, in the western Pacific, as indicated by the language similarities of the Maori, the aboriginal people of New Zealand, of Polynesian-Melanesian descent. Similar to the variations of the Tinney surname found in A Dictionary of the Maori Language, where Tenei means this, near, or connected with the speaker; also, similar to the meaning given for the Cornish word Thynny: we, us.
The Tinneh Stock —This great family includes a large number of North American tribes, extending, from near the mouth of the Mackenzie, south to the borders of Mexico. The Apaches and Comanches belong to it, and the family seem to intersect the continent of North America in a north and south direction, principally along the flanks of the Rocky Mountains.
Eastward they extend quite or nearly to the mountains which divide the watershed of Hudson Bay from that of the Mackenzie and Athabasca. Estoy leyendo. I am reading. Nephi, as the highest holder of the Melchizedek priesthood authority [known to have been on the earth in his day], would have been derelict in his duty, if he had not attended to the birth of the royal leader of his Church, the Messiah Jesus Christ, even Jehovah.
Nephi appears to have successfully navigated the Pacific Ocean, preached the fullness of the Gospel concerning the birth of the Messiah, manifest by heavenly signs and wonders , from India to Palestine, along the ancient Jewish tin distribution route. Thus, he brought Jewish wise men in authority from communal outposts, his entourage of followers, with their precious merchant goods from the East, to Melchizedek priesthood worship at the feet of the child Jesus, at home, in Bethlehem.
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This trip appears to have been accomplished in one to two years. The priesthood authority of the wise men and their Jewish heritage is clearly established within the historical narrative. Nevertheless, after King Herod had privily [privately] called the wise men, he sent them to Bethlehem, as legal and lawful representatives of both the kingly authority and the full authority of the total priesthood body, representative of the Hebrew Nation, residing in full conference in Jerusalem.
A wise man was one who had the spirit of discernment, a gift of the spirit requiring Church membership, according to Apostle Paul in his letter to the Corinthian Saints. The Proverbs of King Solomon prove it, as a wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels. The discerning of all spirits was a power inherent in the highest offices of ancient Priesthood Authority, of which the example of King Melchizedek is given, as Christ was declared to be a High Priest after that order.
Also, King Solomon had the priesthood, as he stood before the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and offered up burnt offerings, and offered peace offerings, and made a feast to all his servants. This was in response to his dream, a revelation from God, who gave King Solomon wisdom and understanding exceeding much, and largeness of heart, even as the sand that is on the sea shore.
When the wise men saw the star they rejoiced with exceeding great joy, or were full of the spirit of God.